[Podcast] Episode 235: Win with People with Jeff Little

How do leaders balance growth with the heart of a shepherd? On this episode of the AVAIL Podcast, Pastor Jeff Little, author, coach, and leader of Milestone Church in Dallas/Fort Worth, TX, joins us to discuss his latest book, Win With People (available on leadtowin.com). Jeff unpacks the timeless call to shepherding in leadership, sharing personal stories of transformation and practical insights for fostering genuine care within teams and communities. From cultivating a culture of love to equipping others to thrive, this episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about leading with purpose and heart.

00:00 Introduction with Jeff Little

5:54 Heart behind Win with People

12:35 Drawbacks of “shepherd” label

20:20 What pastors need help with the most

25:45 The shepherd and the rancher

31:11 How to connect with Jeff and purchase book

32:56 AVAIL Journal

34:19 Final thoughts